Comments on: Traditional Lean? https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/ A Blog About Understanding The Toyota Production System and Gaining Its Full Benefits, brought to you by "The Toast Guy" Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:34:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Mark Graban https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10945 Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:51:47 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10945 I saw that too… I wish they had labeled that as “fake lean” or something instead of “traditional lean.”

It’s a shame that healthcare, generally, hasn’t learned the lessons from ERP… there are some in healthcare who get it and screamed “Fix the workflows before you add technology,” but they were mostly ignored.

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By: jtgormley https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10943 Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:18:07 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10943 Coincidence?…I was surprised this morning to read a very good journal article about patient engagement, which unfortunately used the term “traditional lean” to describe a failed approach whereby “lean experts” tell staff how to change and improve. I agree that would fail, but I haven’t experienced that coming from lean thinkers, usually it comes from non-lean leaders. Before my beginning my lean journey in healthcare, I worked for a major ERP software provider as a developer and marketer, and then later in the CRM (customer relationship management) software business. The experience taught me to be very skeptical of technology and automation when it’s used as a panacea. In healthcare today we have the equivalent – EMR / EHR software, costing mid-sized health systems $100s of millions and offering hoped-for benefits of efficiency, productivity and improved outcomes. As with ERP, most adopt the processes built into the software rather than design improved processes. When will we learn?

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By: GM’s CEO Roger Smith Thought Toyota Had Magic, But This Was the “Secret” | Lean Blog https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10862 Thu, 09 Jun 2016 10:01:09 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10862 […] to this post by Bruce Hamilton (aka “Toast Guy” or “Old Lean Dude”), I was reminded of the old General […]

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By: William Ryan https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10855 Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:37:28 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10855 For much greater detail on Lean or fake Lean I would recommend one to look at the many books written by Bob Emiliani.com. He is one of the best authors in the voices of Lean.

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By: Mark Graban https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10833 Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:32:14 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10833 Yup. $90B over 10 years. This is a good read about Roger Smith:

http://www.tbo.com/business/business/2007/dec/07/bz-gms-roger-smith-was-a-financial-genius-with-fau-ar-182484/

“To satisfy his curiosity about competition from Japan, Smith agreed in 1984 to a joint manufacturing venture with Toyota Motor Corp. at a mothballed GM plant in Fremont, Calif. But the key lessons about Toyota quality that his executives learned weren’t what he wanted to hear. “He thought Toyota possessed some kind of magic,” said Maryann Keller, a former auto industry analyst and author of “Rude Awakening,” a book about the automaker published in 1990. “The Toyota joint venture taught that GM management was the problem.” The trick to cost savings wasn’t simply getting rid of people. GM had to motivate workers in factories and yes-men in executive suites to take more responsibility and improve output. GM quality and productivity were second-rate. I tried and failed to find out whether Smith ever read “The Machine that Changed the World,” a book written in 1990 by Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers”

I recently heard a story from somebody who was in a meeting where W. Edwards Deming came to GM and presented to Roger Smith. Deming basically got kicked out and banned for saying the problem was senior leadership.

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By: Jeff Geisler https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10832 Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:17:07 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10832 Dealing with people is just too darn messy.

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By: Daniel Markovitz https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10831 Wed, 01 Jun 2016 00:32:10 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10831 $90 billion?!?!? The number is mind-boggling. Imagine the good GM could have done for employees’ lives with that number. I suspect that Roger Smith didn’t miss any annual bonuses or pension contributions during that time.

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By: haganone https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10830 Tue, 31 May 2016 23:05:05 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10830 Great post.

Words like “traditional” are used to tarnish on any established methodology, even if successful. That way there is room for the “new and improved!” we’re all programmed to be looking for. Plus, if you embrace the continuous improvement aspect of Lean, then it’s constantly new anyway!

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By: Mark Graban https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10829 Tue, 31 May 2016 22:37:19 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10829 There is a place for MRP and that place is long-term planning. Toyota didn’t reject MRP… Kanban is the short-term execution system rather than scheduling everything through MRP or MRP-II, right?

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By: Mark Graban https://oldleandude.com/2016/05/31/traditional-lean/#comment-10828 Tue, 31 May 2016 22:36:31 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1926#comment-10828 I always roll my ears when I hear something about “beyond Lean” because those who are trying to “go beyond” usually haven’t gotten very far with Lean.

Makes me think of Dr. Deming and the need for “constancy of purpose.” We keep practicing Lean, rather than being done implementing it.

Does “traditional Lean” mean “Lean without Six Sigma” to some of those presenters?

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