Comments on: Mistake-Proofing Mistakes https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/ A Blog About Understanding The Toyota Production System and Gaining Its Full Benefits, brought to you by "The Toast Guy" Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:53:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Bruce W https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/#comment-10078 Tue, 15 Dec 2015 14:39:44 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1773#comment-10078 While the focus seems to be on mistake proofing “machines,” I think that there is an interesting analogy in the development world – A written process instruction can be developed in response to a mistake that has occurred. Negative terminology, lack of practitioner involvement in process development, insufficient time allocation for process steps, etc. will lead to implementation issues and, when implemation does occur, the negative environment that is created will also limit feedback / refinement if the process turns out to be overly convoluted / does not work as intended.

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By: Sid Joynson https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/#comment-10041 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 17:48:38 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1773#comment-10041 Jason, if you did a 3 M’s analysis (Missing*, misplaced or malformed) on a plant cuttings, you could then create a pictorial guide for your people’s decision process and training. This would give them a more consistent decision process for selection or rejection. There are vision systems to do this, but they would be uneconomic for this application.
* On a young plant you want somethings to.be missing.

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By: Jason https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/#comment-10040 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 14:07:53 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1773#comment-10040 Thanks Bruce and Sid.

Bruce I read the article on the Pinto. Very sobering. To me it is obvious that Ford’s decision was unethical and shows how pragmatism can lead us into treacherous waters. But do you have an example of a less ethically problematic or more nuanced situation where the cost of the mistake proofing process could exceed the benefit?

Also, Sid, what would Shingoe say when you can’t create a device to mistake-proof? What if you want to mistake proof a process, or a situation where a human being has to make a judgment call? Is that even possible, or does that just create Muri?

For context, I’m a Grower at a nursery. We have some mechanized processes, but much of what we do involves looking at a living thing in front of us and deciding if it should get planted or thrown out. Things often get planted when they shouldn’t be. We try to establish standards and training, but mistakes still get through due to human nature. One begins to wonder if the effort to mistake proof this process would grind the whole thing to a halt. In this respect, waste is sometimes seen as the lubricant that keeps the whole thing going. You could achieve zero waste, but the cost of going from 99.9% perfect to 100% perfect would put you out of business and drive your employees nuts. As a perfectionist, conceding to this view would be terribly difficult for me, but I’m trying to explore possible future states here…

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By: Sid Joynson https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/#comment-10039 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 13:03:04 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1773#comment-10039 I had an opportunity in 1989 to discuss Poka-Yoke (inadvertent mistake proofing) with Shingo himself. Below are extracts from my notes on his comments, and my own experiences over the last 24 years. Initially he chided me for talking about it as an individual technique, and said it should be seen as the tool for implementing his system of ‘source inspection’ and guaranteeing zero defects/accidents.

Shingo explained that traditional ‘long cycle’ inspection systems wait until an error in action produces a defective item. The defective item is then found by inspecting the output. His concept of source inspection uses the ‘short cycle’ inspection system. In this system the action itself is checked 100% using mechanical means. If an error occurs, immediate action is taken to correct it before a defect is produced. With this methodology we can guarantee zero defects to the final customer.

The basic system is simple;
The Poka-Yoke methods/devices should be designed to detect deviation from the standard actions and outputs required to satisfy the customer’s requirements. *
This can be done in three ways;
a) Physical contact.
b) Fixed values.
c) Motion steps.
In some cases at the original design stage the part can be made a Poka-Yoke device by ensuring it can only be assembled/used in the correct way.

They should also check for deviation in the 3M’s of actions and items;
Missing. Action or item not there.
Misplaced Action or item there, but in wrong position.
Malformed. Action or item are there but wrong, size, shape, colour, temp etc.
When designing Poka-Yoke devices they must check for specific deviations in the 3M’s using; a, b and c. This can be done with a ‘what can go wrong’ 3 M’s analysis.

The Poka-Yoke device should then;

1) Control the operation. Stop the process when an error or defect occurs.
2) Warn the operator. Signal to the operator that an error or defect has occurred.

They should be applied at the following check points;

1) The source action. (source check) This is the ideal as it gives zero defects.

2) Output of the action. (self check) This is our second choice as the output will be defective if the PY device is activated, but it will not be passed to the internal customer.

3) Before the next process. (successive check). At this stage the item will be defective if the PY device is activated, but it cannot go to the final customer.

With this system in place it is now possible to consistently achieve;
‘Zero Defects in our activities and production processes’.
This was Shingo’s original goal in 1965.
If applied to safety it is possible to achieve ‘Zero Accidents’. I do not understand why this methodology is not more widely used in this area.

The most impressive example of Shingo’s system I have experienced was on an assembly line for inlet manifolds in Japan. We were allowed to work on the line and challenged to produce a defective assembly. It was impossible to produce one, and we had some very talented people trying.

Once our front line people understand this system they become some of the best designers of Poka-Yoke devices.

Poka-yoke should be seen as the device for implementing Shingo’s zero defects system.
The goal is to identify deviation from the desired conditions or actions in any situation.
A good example is the selector stick on an automatic car gearbox. If the stick is not in the park position the poke-yoke switch is not activated and the engine will not start. Zero defects in all situations.

Shingoe pointed out to me that this would be impossible to achieve with statistical techniques.

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By: Jay https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/#comment-10034 Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:30:27 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1773#comment-10034 Nice article. In point 5, there could be a third cause besides “device not used” and “device does not work” for why defects persist – “device not suited”. Strangely enough, the text in that point is itself an example. Presumably, a spell-checker was used on this article, the spell-checker did work but it could not pick-up that PCDA should actually be PDCA! The default dictionary was not suitable for the text being examined.

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By: toastguy https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/#comment-10031 Tue, 08 Dec 2015 20:46:39 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1773#comment-10031 Jason,

Thanks for your question. Shigeo Shingo stipulated three rules for poka-yoke devices, the third of which was “low-cost”, perhaps anticipating the diminishing returns argument prevalent then as now. His book, “Zero Quality Control” has many examples of low-cost devices, and my experience has also been that frontline employees can become very good at devising low-cost poka-yokes. In fact, I’ve never seen an instance where the cost of prevention was greater than the cost of rework, sorting or scrap; not to mention the impact on employee morale when problems are not fixed, or the customer who is on the receiving end of the ‘occasional’ defect.

I have, however, seen many instances where defects were not addressed in the name of diminishing returns, and subsequently many problems that were not reported because they were deemed to be too small. When the principle, ‘pass no defects’ is replaced with ‘pass no costly defects’, we have chosen our level of stagnation, friendly neither to employee or customer. One notable example comes to mind. Here is the link:

http://philosophia.uncg.edu/phi361-metivier/module-2-why-does-business-need-ethics/case-the-ford-pinto/

Regards,
Bruce

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By: Jason https://oldleandude.com/2015/12/08/mistake-proofing-mistakes/#comment-10029 Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:13:01 +0000 http://oldleandude.com/?p=1773#comment-10029 One can easily justify applying resources to mistake-proofing when the cost of the mistakes is high, and there is a common consensus that fixing the errors would be beneficial. How do you justify it when the cost of the mistake is far lower than the cost to mistake-proof the process?

One will of course argue that every mistake has many hidden costs, or that it reveals deeper root causes that are symptomatic of waste elsewhere, etc. But can you envision a situation where the cost of perfection is too high, and therefore there is a tolerable level of mistake-making?

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